Where can I find more info on the sponge packs? But Ty I would remove your skimmer if you want to make better use of cryptic sponges ability to remove and recycle labile DOC and bacteria. Just wondering if someone could tell me what pH, water temp, how much salt to add ect to my 5x2x2ft tank. Mangroves have adapted to life along the coast by filtering out the salt from saltwater and excreting it out through their leaves. GAC can be useful for removing DOC. Mangroves grow in tropical regions and act as a nursery for juvenile fish. well the weight of the tank on the stand will keep it weighed down to the stand so it would just tip over and fall, but if you ran into the stand it may cause the whole thing to fall over. • Differing scales of mangrove ecosystem services provision and policy have posed challenges for their conservation. Aug 10, 2019 - This Pin was discovered by Hazel Prasad. The slots cut into the side have an area or cross section about double the area or cross section of the pump's intake and the pump needs to feed only the aquarium, having a reactor or sterilzer will let food collect and rot. I want it to look like this, and to look like this, I keep my phosphates below 0.03 ppm according to my Hanna meter, whether that means there is a great amount of organic phosphate in the water in corrolation, I do not know. Here's a current video including views of the filtration: Sumps in the right side cabinet are base rock with cryptic sponges and low flow. No fiction here Tim since I moved in March so no water changes for 4 years would be an impossibility. Thank you! I only base that on the examples of tanks you maintain that you've posted on here as that is all I have to go by and your tank at home. Checked the Red Sea and it's reagent expired two months ago, Nyos was current but it sits in my van. But you are quite right, this is the holidays. Here's a thread to follow the system in this DIY lighting thread I set up with recessed lighting. Discussion in 'Brackish water' started by BadOmen, Nov 14, 2012. To properly maintain them not only do the need bright light they really need to be spritzed weekly or more often with fresh water. I'm trying to help another hobbyist who keeps acros as well go with advice I think is more appropriate to his situation. × But you are quite right, this is the holidays. I hope that helps clarify for you what I mean by that. The firms bidding to build Mexico's new oil refinery have a dark past. Red Mangroves can grow substantial root systems, and become very tall. When I go to frag swaps or sell frags, I of course have to replace that water. ok im gettin my mangrove on tues. for now he will be in a 40b till he calms down and gets a little more chill. I love the idea of a mangrove riparium for discus, but am in the, "Walk before you run," part of Discus keeping. March 5, 2020. Tank will start off as freshwater and eventually be converted to saltwater. First thing is use Aluminum wire as mangrove will scare very easily, and if you intend to use these in your aquarium-copper is a no no if you have anything but fish in your tank. A problem I've always had with autofeeders is when set above an aquarium food often gets sucked into the overflow or is localized which lets fast or aggressive fish overfeed while slower fish underfeed and on this system had the additional problem of a lot of water getting splashed out of the tank. Followers 1. I'm curious if they will spark some variety in the new sump once I swap out the old sump. Have you ever ordered the sponges from Tyree to seed the cryptic sump? Another reason to keep mangroves in an aquarium is for nutrient export. You cannot paste images directly. Discover (and save!) I would buy you lots of beers of your choice to hear how adding and then removing a 100 gallon tank to your system when you had your AEW infestation 2 years ago doesn't count as a water change. 161. Check out this video on my new Mangrove Tank build! If your room has strong light from nearby windows, that may be sufficient, otherwise you will need to house them under the aquarium lights for your display tank or refugium. Thanks:) Share this post. for the near future I am building a 12" tall paludarium extension that will act as the canopy for this tank and move all of the mangrove plants to this tank. Timfish, December 19, 2017 in Tank Builds. Yes, colloquial terms are for easier use only, and yes, of course that doesn't imply that all that are grouped have the same husbandry standards. your own Pins on Pinterest Your previous content has been restored. BadOmen Senior Member. May we clash methodology-wise for another 10 years on ARC. There are no roots on the second, smaller shoot. In fact, my skimmer also removes saltwater and over time I have to replace that water too. Aug 28, 2013 - This Pin was discovered by Lori Vogt. Beside having to design, build and install tightly focused remote lighting another unique difference with this setup from others I have done over the years is the system was run with only about an hour of mid morning sunlight for about 6 months before the lights were installed. your own Pins on Pinterest I did said much the same thing about helping inexperienced aquarists to Mike 7 years ago when he took over ARC. There are always so many willing to help. Copyright 2009-2020 SaltwaterAquariumBlog.com. I'm trying it continuously on this system to see if there's noticable differences with my other systems I only use it sporadicly or not at all. freshwater mangroves, no … Weekly water changes would do a better job of removing it. Having been in the hobby since '87 and having kept reef systems for decades and learning to focus on sustainability and resilliance I feel I have a unique experience base. Soooo sad. I shared what I thought was more appropriate advice for the system he was trying to run. ). Mexico is illegally destroying mangroves to build Lopez Obrador's oil refinery ... director of the Energy program at the Inter-American Dialogue, a think tank focused on the Americas. [emoji2]. Feb 25, 2015 - Growing mangroves enables one to decorate a tank to look like a fringing reef that surrounds an island, as seen from the ocean. Vidéos à découvrir. You say you know "SPS" and "LPS" are just colloqial terms and you're just using them for convenience. But it's questionable it removes the DOC that promotes bacteria growth. I had my Oregon tort acclimated to 750 par but I don't think it would have appreciated 900 par. According to an article in reefkeeping magazine, it is advised that you clean the accumulated salt off of the leaves of the mangrove tree a few times each week by spraying the leaves with fresh water (assuming it is safe to do so…and that you don’t have electrical equipment in the vicinity). They require light for photosynthesis. In the U.S., I think of Florida as being the haven for mangroves, although there are mangrove forests covering more than 50,000 square miles, across 118 countries. Besides being an excellent source for cryptic sponges I also ended up with about half a dozen 1" limpets that do a pretty good job of grazing the rocks. freshwater mangroves, no … I only spoke out with JimD's thread because I don't think your focus is acro dominant tanks. Another service provided by mangroves is that of a nutrient sink. By Max de Haldevang & Daniel Wolfe. There's still plenty for the sponges but I understand where you are coming from. Does anyone know of a place to get a red mangrove propagule or an already sprouted one that's been sprouted in a reef tank salinity? If someone wanted to run a naturally filtered system with tap water topoff that was self sustained and not prone to system failure, and maintained by routine water changes, I'd keep quiet and move on. I'll just agree to disagree on this one. Having to take into consideration viewing from so many perspectives and with refraction of top views even the backsides of the 'scaping can be seen from some angle. They complement each other and the tank well! The addition of a couple mangroves to this system was aesthetics, because of the additional demands on a reef ecosystem I would not use them if the sole reason was filtration. The advantage of sponges is they remove and recycle both hydrophobic and hydrophylic stuff. One sump is low flow for sponges after Tyrees Zonal methodology (See Vol III of Delbeek and … A notch cut in the door can help with smaller quantities and can be tested using a piece of tape first before cutting. Thanks:) Rather than continue to fight it like you have Tim, its just easier for me to just go with the flow regarding common terms. Thank you! Aug 12, 2017 - This Pin was discovered by Zoe Bowie. The primary reason that mangrove trees can survive in saltwater at all is because they have special glands in their leaves that help to extract salt. this is a great build idea and im looking forward to the outcome. And yes, roughly 3 years with the last tank of no major water changes except for once when I overdosed Mg and in the first couple months when it was stabilizing was exactly how it went down. Mangroves on top and the flow from the gravity feed will keep a zoa garden perfectly happy i would think. Repeat this process until they’ve warmed up to you. Not my methodology and definitely not my area of expertise. For about a decade one of my clients was an artist who illustrated children's books. Getting a Red Mangrove at the swap, but I'm having a hell of a time thinking of how I should go about it. Sep 13, 2017 - Explore Rob's board "Mangrove Lagoon" on Pinterest. By Max de Haldevang & Daniel Wolfe. Not sure what that's called in snow boarding. Both environments are very different in many ways that I don't really feel like we are emulating nature anymore. Mangroves are trees. Display as a link instead, × So i'm planning on turning my 30 gallon tank (36"long, 14"wide and 16" tall) aquarium into a mudskipper tank (if i can locate then in melbourne, australia, any ideas?). Abstract. I'm not interested in an internet discussion on what I assume or what you assume Tim. I'm not aiming to slam down anybody else's advice in the process, contributions to the collective knowledge is what makes the hobby great, and what makes ARC great. They look very nice in my tank in my opinion. ... and watered from a well stocked rainbowfish tank to provide a natural source of phosphate, nitrate, and other nutrients. Three critical considerations are the 90° elbow on the pump inlet to keep a vortex from forming and sucking air into the pump. Clear editor. For more information about mangroves in a reef tank, check out the resources below: http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2002/4/aafeature, http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2004-12/ac/feature/index.php, http://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/mangroves.html. With sunlight getting as high as 500 PAR it was essential the lights not be turned on at the same time. See more ideas about Mangrove, Fish tank, Saltwater aquarium. Heres a thread to follow the system in this DIY lighting thread I set up with recessed lighting. More recently inspired by … À suivre. 13:14. The solution I came up with is a mixing tube to mix food dropped from an autofeeder into the water and disperse it from the return line. I currently have two Radions g2, that will be centered on this 60''x27'' tank. See more ideas about Mangrove, Fish tank, Saltwater aquarium. If you have a larger tank and want to try to recreate the look created by the tangled, knobby roots, suspend the mangrove propagule in the water column so that the base is submerged, while the rest of the shoot extends out of the water. Tips: Keep aquarium water at 72-78°F, with a pH of 8.1-8.4, and dKH of 8-12. Carbon in mangrove sediments does not turn over in the same way it does in terrestrial soil, but builds up vertically in response to sea level rise (SLR) (McLeod et al., 2011). System is a 220 and has two 40 gallon sumps running about half full. I'll go have a beer with you and chat any day. Here's a video from this spring. That's a wonderful mangrove setup. Macroalgae/Mangroves: Caulerpa prolifera and Gracilaria hayi/ (4) red mangroves This is the tank that began my love of macroalgae and helped me create my newest build. Thanks for reminding me about the cryptic sumps as his talk during C4 has been ringing in my ear ever since then. Great way for others to see & learn the work involved. In the U.S., I think of Florida as being the haven for mangroves, although there are mangrove forests covering more than 50,000 square miles, across 118 countries. Suivre. Left side has return pumps, small canister filter with GFO and GAC, food mixing tube (see above video) and ATO. ( I don't know of any corals available for reef tanks that have been acclimated to 900+ PAR. I need to build up to that... and I think I'm a decade or so away.-- Pat What are the differences you see between our systems and wild reefs? By Bill Vaughan Entertainment Writer “Small Axe,” the highly anticipated anthology series created and directed by Academy Award, BAFTA, and Golden Globe-winning filmmaker Steve McQueen (“12 Years A Slave,” “Widows”), will premiere on Amazon Nov. 20 with the first film, “Mangrove” starring Letitia Wright (“Marvel’s Black Panther”). Shaping you Mangrove This is a little advanced-so if you unsure I would search Google on wiring up bonsai. Tyree has sponges available on his Reeffarmers.com website. You can model a brackish water biotope tank on the roots of a mangrove tree. I'd like to place the mangroves directly in front of the center overflow (volcano style). That’s right, saltwater. Remove fallen leaves before they can decay and raise nutrient levels. Recommended Posts + Timfish 816 Timfish 816 Elite Reefer + Benefactor; 816 3,434 posts; Location: North Central; Tank Size: 140 gal. Looks great. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. The "rule of thirds" and Fibonacci ratio or golden ratio also came up and I was pleasantly surprised and got some valuable insights discussing how an artist applied all these to aquarium design. In fact, this is what I tried to do with my 1500 gallon tank with the help of 40 mangroves. What I found really fascinating was after installing the remote lighting the ecosystem started to cycle all over. Link to post Share on other sites. I don't know how much local limestone I used but I did use about 60 lbs of maricultured live rock from florida and qt it for about 5 weeks first. Reproduction: Seeds or a Propagule. Mexico is illegally destroying mangroves to build Lopez Obrador's oil refinery Max de Haldevang 3/5/2020. I was letting the OP know what my opinion is based on my experiences and my understanding of the current science. Im putting mangrove jack in there and need to know as much as possible. Aquascaping was a real exciting challenge. I have been offered by an aquarium $800 if they could buy him, but there is no way I would ever sell him. The other sump holds the return pumps, a small DIY canister that holds about a cup of GAC and a 25 watt UV sterilizor. I have yet to find any research showing it removes the neutral sugars from algae which promote pathogenic bacteria to corals. Tank Builds ; 220 Rimless w/ Mangrove Sign in to follow this . › Login or register to … Discover (and save!) That would be absurd and I find it odd you have to wonder if I don't have that basic undestanding of corals, but just in case, yes, all "SPS" don't have the same husbandry requirements. March 5, 2020. Hair algae notably was more pronounced and "determined" than I typically see in cycling and maturing a system. The iconic view of a mangrove forest displays the prominent root structure, as the trees extend their roots into the saltwater. (LivestockUSA.com has several varieties available but it is pricy) Always QT live rock like anything else before adding it. Red Sea was off by 10X and the Nyos was off by 25X. It's sad to lose a system running for so long but I did get to move some very nice fish to my other clients. I may consider doing an aquaclear 50/70 HOB for cheato if needed to keep the tank more stable. Give It A THUMBS UP! After going through the water softener and a carbon filter water sits in a barrel that's had Carib Sea's Buffer Plus (calcium and bicarb) dumped in months and months ago, no agitation: For reference here's the parmeter's from the last time I tested in March. As long as the roots are submerged in the saltwater, they should not require additional watering, with one exception (below). You definitely do have a unique experience base. Feb 6, 2017 - Growing mangroves enables one to decorate a tank to look like a fringing reef that surrounds an island, as seen from the ocean. That was never the question. If I try to give an advice in that arena, please do kindly tell me to bug off. In the reef or lagoon aquarium, this can provide you with a natural living structure for your fish, to supplement the live rock in your display. Pasted as rich text. Tyree's a good source for cryptic sponges especially for individual that used only dry rock to set up a system. Finally got around to testing the water. This mangrove tank can be connected to your main reef tank, for example by placing it a little higher and pumping a small amount of water from the reef tank into the mangrove tank, so it will flow back into the reef tank via gravity. Make sure to spread out correctly to not overlap the damage. I just started the journey of keeping mangroves in my reef tank. To start with you were not my target audience. This extracted salt builds up on the surface on mangrove tree leaves, and in nature, a regular sea mist or rainfall would generally remove this salty build up. Upload or insert images from URL. But I have to think discussing what science does or doesn't apply to our reefs would benefit everyone on a public forum. i assume that mangroves are the same. Red mangroves have the ability to replace sodium ions, which are present in salt water, with magnesium ions. \r \r Driftwood USE CODE DIY15 \r Pool Filter Sand (white) \r Canister Filter \r Heater \r LED Light \r \r Like This Video? This Purple Tang was in initially purchased in 2004: Latest video including a view from the upper balcony. By Timfish, December 19, 2017 in Tank Builds. Here's a 450° spiral and a 90° roll. But it's not clear if you accept they do not apply to the husbandry requirements of corals. www.reef2reef.com Nano Build Micro Mangrove Build Hello everyone , this is my fist "build" thread so please bare with me . Mangrove Tank Ideas. Discover (and save!) The iconic view of a mangrove forest displays the prominent root struc… In fact, this is what I tried to do with my 1500 gallon tank with the help of 40 mangroves. Mangroves roots will grow in the saltwater of your tank. New Saltwater after sitting about 15 minutes. The roots should grow down and work their way down into the substrate. Another advantage is it can take 10 or 15 minutes for all the food to drop and get dispersed giving a longer and more random feeding. Just like with art every client has their preferences but the basic rules artists and architects and photographers use really helps. The mangrove ecosystem diagram really helped me layout the tank. Otherwise, its just an exercise in beating your head against in the wall in my opinion and it also saves me time when talking with other reefers. NEW TANK Pt.2. I'm not looking for a debate. Your link has been automatically embedded. My 215-gallon tank is not the ocean, nor do I want it to look like the ocean. I just been running "SPS"-dominant systems for 7 years now and learned a great deal over the years on how to keep beautifully colored acropora colonies, so I aim to share that same knowledge with others and if someone gives advice I see may not be beneficial, I will also add my opinion in hopes to help someone with their goal. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year Ty And everyone else! Water. My old sump had tons of sponges in spite of a skimmet but it would be nice to introduce some variety in the form of Tyree's pack. These root tangles help them withstand the daily rising/falling tides, and slow the movement of the water, allowing sediments to settle out and build up the bottom contours of the local ecosystem. When in discussion of no water changes, its in reference to methodology for husbandry purposes... Not that no new water ever hits my system. Happy holidays Tim. And not everyone shares my priorities. In you have access to Red Mangrove seeds, propagules or clippings you can grow a mangrove -- just remember that the mangrove will need to grow out of the water and require frequnet pruning [check out Southeast Asian Mangrove Estuary for ideas on a "split" tank]. This one will be a shallow mangrove tunnel. Initial stocking during this initial period was challenging as PAR from sunlight was over 400 but of very short duration and varied as daylight changes through the year. Extremely easy and low maintenance set up. However, the grouping of macro-algae and sea grasses along with the addition of several mangroves is an alternative. Not planning on using live rock, so at first the system will lack diversity. It was first tried by Julian Sprung who later got it published in a German aquarium magazine from where it became practiced by many aquarists. Great fish selection Tim! When level of magnesium ions is low, mangrove couldn't replace sodium ions. The tank has to make sure to turn Dro’Zakar away from the group to avoid cleave damage. Considering my background, I understand colloquial terms versus actual genus names. Ive decided to set up a second mangrove tank. Submitted by Kelvin8r on Sat, 2010-02-13 10:42. While there are some practical benefits of keeping mangroves with your saltwater aquarium, which I will get into in a moment, probably the most important reason to keep these cool trees is because you like the look of it. I still aim for no water changes as a maintenance task but have now added a once a year full water change (over the span of a couple weeks) to dilute any potential contaminants that I can't test for and also aid in additional DOC removal. Neither propagule has demonstrated any leaf or branch growth yet. Mangrove Creek Dam, a concrete faced rockfill embankment dam, is the primary reservoir for water supply to residents of the Central Coast in New South Wales, Australia.. This site participates in the Amazon Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees at no additional direct cost to you by linking to some products on Amazon.com. With the help of a timer you can even add a second pump which will pump at certain intervals and transport more water into the mangrove tank, resulting in a higher water level. Algae that showed up and disappeared in the first few months reappeared then disappeared. Im putting mangrove jack in there and need to know as much as possible. Mangrove monitors have very sharp claws and teeth surrounded by a powerful jaw. EDUCATE yourself before buying on a whim. Hi, I'm in the process of a new tank build. A dense grouping of mangroves is called a mangrove forest, where the trees grow along the edge of the water, packed closely together. Mangroves, like the algae you would keep in a refugium, will help purify your aquarium water by removing some of the natural waste products produced by the animals in your tank that would otherwise foul the water and fuel problem algae outbreaks. 220 Rimless w/ Mangrove. Is this still a point we disagree on? All my other equipment was also reused from … While it is only the stuff that has hydrophobic qualities it's still food for sponges they convert into nitrogen rich detritus for the food chain. I don't mean to offend you Tim. whether by rain or just dropping the leaves. Since the aquarium was in their studio we ended up having many conversations about the color wheel and color harmony and balance. I didn't want to hijack Jim D's thrasd but I have some questions about your post and my thread seemed like a good place to bring it up. it needs to dispose of salt somehow. The lighting continues to be a challenge with the variable amount of sunlight it gets throughout the year. I still maintain my monthly use of ROX carbon, which is beneficial to DOC removal as well. AQUAPROS Shirts (THANK YOU!) Sep 14, 2018 - We would like to impart the truth on these plants to help you have a successful project. Découvrez vos propres épingles sur Pinterest et enregistrez-les. 19 déc. G~ _____ 19/03/2019. The way mangroves ‘cope’ with the salt in saltwater is that they export the salt out through their leaves. Mangrove Monitor Care Sheet. Reply to this topic; Start new topic; Prev; 1; 2; Next; Page 1 of 2 . If you don't have a sump or a refugium, you can place your mangrove plants directly into your aquarium by submerging the root systems in the tank water (after the plants are rinsed and acclimated). This extracted salt builds up on the surface on mangrove tree leaves, and in nature, a regular sea mist or rainfall would generally remove this salty build … Got two noticably different readings forn Nyos and Red Sea so tested them against a standard. Mangroves trees that grow in coastal regions in tropical geographies. The roots emerged from the first propagule ~9 days after bringing them home. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year Ty And everyone else! I'm planning to keep stocking pretty light, and I'd like to see if I can keep nutrients under control with just the in-tank macros, and no external fuge or sump. In your opinion what are my assumptions about reef aquariums you disagree with? Now going to the good stuff, I think I'm going to order a sponge pack from Tyree. I dont know how big he will grow to, but my girlfriend wants to build in our next house an inwall tank about 10 foot long. I can’t wait to share my progress (and mistakes) with you here. 2015 - Cette épingle a été découverte par aqualife. Sep 13, 2017 - Explore Rob's board "Mangrove Lagoon" on Pinterest. Mexico is illegally destroying protected mangrove trees to build an $8 billion oil refinery. Mangrove Creek Dam, a concrete faced rockfill embankment dam, is the primary reservoir for water supply to residents of the Central Coast in New South Wales, Australia.. In the wild, the roots from a mangrove forest serve as a nursery for juvenile fish, which can be seen swimming among the roots. Here's a couple videos with the system lit up with just sunlight. The real build (putting everything together) will start in August, since by then I'll have a new room in a dorm, with enough space to set the whole thing up. Mangroves roots will grow in the saltwater of your tank. and whether you need any special setups or just standard tropical water fish tank setup Cheers, Sheldon ‹ Furuno 585 interpretation And yet we have lost another event ! the most important thing with mangroves is to rinse the leaves clean every day. In addition to the wide range of locations and lighting levels I've also found some animals, Euphillia specifically, did not do well with sunlight, presumably the spectrum as PAR was well within their tolerance. The fate of that tank was tragic. You and I know skimmers are only 30-40% efficient at best. Taking in the view from the top and stairs and the way light is reflected and refracted pretty much every spot can be seen. You often quote books about natural reefs and data collected from these reefs as backing for your assumptions in the reef aquaria, which in my opinion and just my opinion only, is not always as applicable to saltwater tanks. I love this tank concept tim. your own Pins on Pinterest Mangroves are trees. It is designed to mimic mangrove roots found in nature. "Cheap" DIY Tidal Mangrove/Mudflat Tank - Mudskippers, Fiddler Crabs, Three spined stickleback. Cogiz. I want to move my 3x 27-30'' mangroves from my sump into my main display. My old sump was full of sponges. Tank Conditions: 72-78°F; sg 1.020-1.025; pH 8.1-8.4; KH 8-12: Care Level: Easy. This mangrove tank can be connected to your main reef tank, for example by placing it a little higher and pumping a small amount of water from the reef tank into the mangrove tank, so it will flow back into the reef tank via gravity. Lawnmower Blenny Aquarium Care: Salarias fasciatus, Yellow Tang: Caring for this saltwater fish in a reef tank, 51 Great gifts for saltwater aquarium lovers, Saltwater firefish goby: quick facts, care guide, diet and more, Clownfish Eggs Development and Clownfish Breeding Journal. Equipment ADA 60f - 24x12x7 24 T5 Fixture … Besides removing the salt from their leaves they also will absorb some reducing their demand for magnesium. Signaler. A client I've had for 21 years moved to CA and shut down their fish only system. Thank you for the support! This was a bittersweet addition. Yes, when Feldman ran his tests some skimmers on some test runs did pull out that much. The new custom aquarium arrived in October 2015, SCA really did an amazing job with the construction. It's taken a day after scrubbing hair algae and was about a fourth of the way through it's cycle. Aug 26, 2016 - This Pin was discovered by Akemi Ki. Introducing mangroves to an aquarium is normally done by way of the seeds, which look like long pods that are fat at the bottom (root area) and skinny at the top (leaf-growing area). Several years ago, Freshwater and Marine Aquarium Magazine (FAMA) and other aquarium periodicals referenced the idea of a refugium as part of a saltwater aquarium. Mexico is illegally destroying protected mangrove trees to build an $8 billion oil refinery. Uniquely a location on the stairs lets viewers see the same area from three different angles. Very nice - I've always liked an aquascape that takes you from water to above the surface. creating a "greenhouse" around the tank and using a humidifier will make that possible. The planting of mangroves in a reef tank is not a new idea but lately gained a lot of interest by many aquarists. That sounds a lot more fun then digging back to what you've said over the years and what you've quoted. (It was fascinating to see Dr. Haas' research at C4 in 2015 showing how the rules developed over time by artists could be used to quantify the health status of reefs.).
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